Thermodynamics refers to energy.

If I stack some bricks in a pattern then we could say that I’ve produced complexity/order and utilised energy to do so, giving a net disorder.

But can we say that?

The energy I’ve used versus the matter I’ve manipulated aren’t truly compatible.
The relationship between matter and energy is down in the quantum regions of our understanding.

Have I increased order/complexity on the quantum scale? No.

Have I increased order/complexity on the atomic scale? No.

Have I even increased order/complexity on the molecular scale? No.

The order I have established is only perceived on the macro scale, an irrelevance to thermodynamics.

Whilst we’re in the subject though, the idea of closed systems (which the earth isn’t as the sun inputs energy to our system at a fantastic rate, much to the detriment of its own order) applied to physics and erroneously to evolution, would only hold if the system were not being manipulated.
Now I don’t mean “intelligently”.
I mean organically.

In much the same way a volcano can “process” lava from a magma reservoir into a haphazard “structure”, biological forces can process matter and energy into complex structures (again to the detriment of the initial energy sources complex order).

So why is the second law of thermodynamics considered a valid point against evolution?

And even if it did go against a law of nature why would that show evolution can’t happen when it demonstrably does?
Surely our law would be wrong?
It simply (as I’ve tried to show) not applicable to this length scale.


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8 Responses to Thermodynamics

  1. Evolution refers to the variation of inherited genetic traits over time and is a basic characteristic of life.
    What has that to do with thermodynamics?

    • (V)nemoni)(s says:

      Precisely. Yet some creationists seem to think that the apparent complexity of life on earth isn’t possible due to the second law of thermodynamics. Firstly misapplying the law, secondly ignoring the massive hot yellow thing in the sky.

  2. john zande says:

    “So why is the second law of thermodynamics considered a valid point against evolution?”

    This is without doubt the funniest argument ever presented by creationists. How one can ignore that giant fusion reaction going on in the sky is beyond me, but deny its existence they do.

  3. Linuxgal says:

    You are confused if you equate complexity with order. Order is actually the opposite of complexity. An ice cube is crystallized water, a very simple description will suffice to describe it, because every region in the ice cube has a fixed and identical pattern. But if you melt the ice cube, the water molecules become disorganized, and the list which describes their location is complex, it must encompass every molecule.

    • (V)nemoni)(s says:

      Thank you for the clarification.
      I use the terminology this way in this example because the argument I’m attempting to show doesn’t hold, is usually accompanied by language such as; “irreducible complexity” when referring to biological mechanisms and structures.

      • Linuxgal says:

        Even in that case, what is termed “irreducible complexity” is actually a simplification, when a biological feature that served multiple roles is pared back to just one, such that any further reduction would make it unusable. And proponents of Intelligent Design falsely assume that natural selection came directly from the simpler to the more complex, without considering that it could have veered into the more complex multi-use configuration and then rolled back to a single-use.

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